We grapple with the recent “Post-Libertarian” vs. “Lolbert” schism in the broader liberty movement.

Are libertarian principles antithetical to achieving a libertarian society?

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Intro

What is Post-libertarianism? Are we Lolberts?

Discussion

  • A schism in libertarianism: Post-libertarians vs Lolberts
    • The Covid response – Threats of authoritarianism are no longer theoretical
    • Ease of putting draconian measures in place
    • The message of liberty isn’t enough. People aren’t interested in our kind of freedom
    • They will never leave you alone
    • Pete Quinones – the “actually records podcast episodes” strategy
  • The Not Racist throat clear
    • Zoning is racist
    • The left runs right to the bottom of the slippery slope
    • Class issues as race issues
    • We solved racism
  • Post-libertarianism – What’s it all about?
    • Mostly about racism LOL
    • Former libertarians more focused on pragmatism
    • Lolberts – Libertarians who aren’t serious about actually achieving liberty. Like us!
  • The non-aggression principle – not a complete moral theory
    • Adherence to NAP is a means, not an end
    • We’re all shooting for Christ
    • Consequentialist – Free markets tend to lead to better outcomes
    • Misesian utilitarianism – Do my selected means actually achieve my stated ends?
    • All morality is subjective
    • Fruitarianism – A weird thing to get worked up about, just like libertarianism
  • Centralized hierarchies are efficient
    • We haven’t released an episode because of a crisis of faith
    • What kind of organization is most efficient?
    • Curtis Yarvin – monarchist thing
    • Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season
    • “I’ve read shit you’ve never even heard of”
    • Right-wing takeover is not a realistic strategy
  • Hoppean covenant communities – big fish in a small pond
    • A canonical libertarian solution
    • Libertarians are averse to power
    • Voting Good Actually
    • The most revolutionary thing you can do is go to an area that’s already Republican and vote Republican
    • Disempowerment by Democracy
  • Strategies for liberty
    • The Free State Project – Electoral success
    • The Mises Caucus – Splitting the vote?
    • Post-libertarian Strategy – Localism approach, oppose left-wing Democrats with right-wing Republicans
    • Living in a cabin in the woods actually not a great strategy
    • Community – The greatest strength of the Free State Project
    • Clubhouses – The Shell, The Praxeum, The Quill, (Keene Clubhouse???)
    • Dave Smith – The next libertarian presidential candidate?
    • Spreading the message on big platforms
    • L is for Liability
    • If you can’t win, get them talking about issues you care about. Force the debate to happen.
    • The Post-Libertarian strategy – Raise up local elites
    • Bring libertarian message to elites
    • Meta-strategy – An ecosystem of complementary strategies
  • Localism
    • Australia’s Agenda 21 regional governments
    • New Hampshire’s town hall meetings
    • The Joe’s garden to Fruitarian pipeline
  • A false dichotomy between liberty and power
    • “Freedom” (a word Tim made up) = The ability to act (“Power”) according to your will (“Liberty”)
    • Political power, economic power, technological power
    • Liberty – Other people don’t have the ability to prevent you from acting in the way you want to act
    • Political liberty, social liberty, economic liberty
    • Post-libertarians oppose having people who don’t agree with you having power over you
  • Power is conserved?
    • No – Power is not a zero-sum game
    • “If I were President”
    • The Iron Law of Oligarchy
  • Could an anarcho-capitalist society be stable?
    • Competing corporations act as a shadow government for a Yarvinian AnCap revolution
    • How we get there matters
    • Anarcho-capitalist trash service – $6 a week
    • Schools – Have the money follow the student
    • Groceries – Pay for food based on the value of your house (property taxes)?
    • Disconnect between what people use, costs of services, and what people are willing to pay
    • Roads – Fees for use
    • Replace government in incremental ways, not wholesale
  • The Anti-Tax – Local sovereign wealth fund
    • Local governments are insolvent
    • Failed infrastructure is a default
    • Strong Towns – Align payments with cost of infrastructure
    • Sovereign wealth requires wealth
  • Comparing strategies
    • Who’s funding your coup?
    • The “listen to our podcast” strategy
    • Ancap strategy – Decentralize institutions and hope they can stay decentralized
    • Post-libertarian strategy – Assume institutions will become centralized and get your friends into the oligarchy
    • Ancap strategy – Competitive market of corporations with limited scope.
    • Competition and stratification. Resilient to the Iron Law of Oligarchy?
  • Liberalize individual services rather than replacing government wholesale.
    • Fees for service and use – More fair payment, better alignment of demand with costs
    • Government services that aren’t funded by taxes aren’t a “government” service
    • Levels of government ownership:
    • City owns trash trucks and employees, funds with property tax
    • City bids out trash collection service, funds with property tax
    • City bids out trash collection service, mandates and charges each house for their trash pickup
    • City offers trash pickup service for a fee but does not mandate it. People can use the city service, hire their own trash pickup service, or take their own trash to the dump.
    • City does not offer trash pickup service and does not mandate it.  People choose to pay for their own trash pickup or take their trash to the dump themselves.
  • 10,000 Lichtensteins
    • Geographically decentralized, autonomous political units
    • “Europe started out as 10,000 Lichtensteins, and now they have one Lichtenstein and one EU.”
    • Need to trade with each other, discover efficiencies through consolidation
  • Just keep your friends in power – high risk, high reward strategy
    • Finite and Infinite Games
    • Finite Game – You win, then use force to quash your enemies. High-time preference
    • Infinite Game – Point is to keep playing. Win-win, self-reinforcing. Lower time-preference
    • Power games are pencils standing on their ends – they require force to maintain.
    • If monarchy is your strategy, then who’s your guy?
    • The problem is always getting the right people in power.
  • Covenant community – We’re going to get a whole group of the right people together. This is a challenge.
    • What happens down the road?
    • Does the community get a say over who you sell your property to?
    • The bigger the community gets, the harder it is to remain cohesive
    • The more authority and property rights you cede to the community, the further you get from the type of liberty you wanted in the first place
    • Covenant community strategy assumes away the fundamental problem of political theory: How do you get people with different interests to live together peacefully?
    • The smaller the community is, the less power and amenities you have
    • The larger the community is, it becomes harder to maintain the original set of values
    • If you have to write it into a covenant, you’ve already lost
  • Agreeing to physical removal.
    • Future generations – I didn’t sign shit.
    • Hoppe’s physical removal – Community seizes ownership of private property to remove communists
    • Buy them out instead?
    • Community decision making – Stuff doesn’t get done.
    • What is the threshold to justify removal?
    • Hard to maintain community cohesion in a highly mobile society
    • You can’t build a community around strategy alone
  • Postlibertarian focus on culture rather than ideology
    • Traditional development depended on strong community, then reinforced it
    • Inverse relationship between technology and community
    • Transportation and communication technologies free people from interdependence on their local community
    • Shared culture can give a community a sense of purpose
    • Blood and soil – People care about their place, family, and national identity. Also a dog-whistle.
  • Culture – Just because you can understand it doesn’t mean you can change it
    • The water you swim in
    • Cultures can change through attraction, but it’s not just a club. There is no such thing as a Culture Club.
    • Post-libertarians finding common cause with anti-woke culture
    • “Groomer” – Serves the same function for the right as the word “Racist” does for the left.
    • Transgression signaling.
    • Post-edgelord
    • Critical mass effect – Doesn’t need to achieve majority support to be effective
  • Are we Lolberts?
    • Post-Libertarianism – Actually still libertarian
    • There’s more than one viable strategy
    • Joe protests against protesting
    • We need to take practical action in the world
    • Anarchitecture exists to test libertarian theory against the real world of the built environment.

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